While everyone focuses on the feud between President “I am your daddy” Trump and Elon “I project my daddy issues on the President” Musk, I thought I would take a different tack and have a look at someone that everyone seems to forget is in the room, the Vice President.

Disclaimer: This is a chart. When I do charts of people who aren’t clients, particularly when their existence is as polarizing as his, I write mainly about placements and not the person. You won’t see me reference him specifically very often in this chart. Doing a chart is neither an endorsement nor a criticism. It is simply an examination of the energy within the person’s birthdate. It’s not about whether or not I like them.

TL;DR

The synopsis is first for those of you who still have your TikTok attention spans 😁

Lifepath Blueprint Synopsis

Heart 24 · Expression 28 · Destiny 84

2/Moon + 4/Rahu | 2/Moon + 8/Saturn | 8/Saturn + 4/Rahu

This person is born to struggle between vulnerability and control. At the soul level, they are learning to master their inner chaos without suppressing their humanity, to wield influence without becoming lost in its performance.

The Heart: 24 (2/Moon + 4/Rahu)

This person longs for closeness, comfort, and connection at their emotional core. The Moon brings a desire to nurture and be nurtured. But Rahu—trickster and numerological edgelord—adds a layer of instability and longing for the forbidden. Love is not simple for this person. They are often drawn to karmic or emotionally unavailable partners or find themselves entwined in relationships that awaken their deepest fears and obsessions. There is an inner tug-of-war between the desire to feel safe and the drive to feel intensely.

This heart craves intimacy, but not without fire.

The Expression: 28 (2/Moon + 8/Saturn)

Outwardly, they come across as refined, competent, and composed—someone who keeps it together no matter what. This is not a soft personality but a disciplined one forged from early-life disappointment or emotional restraint. They learned to “read the room” young, giving them immense political savvy and the ability to manage their public image precisely.

The 28/1 Expression often hides the vulnerable 24/6 Heart. They do not trust easily, and their interactions are carefully curated to minimize risk. However, their emotional intelligence makes them powerful communicators and skilled negotiators. They are the person you turn to in a crisis—calm, clear, capable. But behind the curtain, they may suffer in silence.

The Destiny: 84 (8/Saturn + 4/Rahu)

Their life path is not for the faint of heart. The 84/3 destiny is coded for karmic intensity, public misunderstanding, and eventual mastery through repeated breakdowns and breakthroughs. This person is not here to have a simple life—they are here to build something enduring out of difficult, often chaotic material.

The conjunction of 8/Saturn and 4/Rahu brings themes of exile and ambition, of being an outsider who learns to manipulate the system they were once excluded from. It’s a path of hard-earned power. Their mission is to shape the world through long-term influence, often navigating power structures that seem determined to push them out—until they learn to work the levers from behind the scenes.

In Summary:

• This person is emotional and strategic.
• They want peace, but often find themselves in storms.
• They crave love, but are drawn to the mysterious, the broken, or the unattainable.
• They project stability, but wrestle with profound internal contradictions.
• They are destined to wield power—but only after being tested by it.

If this individual can integrate 2/Moon’s empathy, 8/Saturn’s discipline, and 4/Rahu’s insatiable drive, they can become a builder of new worlds and a reformer in disguise.

And now, for the expanded version!

I wanted to eat my dessert first, so I skipped merrily on past JD’s Life Path, Day Number, Expression, and Heart to get to his Destiny energy. He has a Destiny of 84/3. Because 84 reduces to 12 before landing at 3, there is an element of sacrifice in his Destiny placement. The 12 vibration carries the energy of a combust moon within it. This can manifest as mood swings, emotional instability, and difficulty with personal boundaries. As a hidden element within the Destiny number, the sacrificial vibration of 12 quietly manipulates this energy behind the scenes. It can also mean that JD has hidden issues relating to women and/or a complicated relationship with his mother. You’ve either read his book or seen the movie Hillbilly Elegy, so we know the answer to that. Showing up in his Destiny placement is important to note; it has definitely shaped who he has become and what he puts his weight behind. 

In esoteric numerology, 8-4 natives are called to create structure out of chaos or rebuild something broken. They’re not here to make you comfortable or to be likable. They’re here to build systems that outlast them and drag hidden truths into public light. 

If someone with this placement were to enter politics, as he has, we should watch for:

• Unorthodox alliances
• Fixation on “the rules”—either enforcing or dismantling them
• Being underestimated or forgotten about, then suddenly pivotal in a national or historical moment

I understand that some of this will have people rolling their eyes. I’m ok with that. Like I said in the disclaimer, it’s a chart to cast, I’m not trying to make it personal. JD was born for what he is doing; his chart reflects it. I haven’t done a name analysis because the identity shifts he’s gone through are a volume on their own. 

But enough about the preamble. Let’s examine his visible Destiny number, 84/3.

8/Saturn + 4/Rahu 

This combination blends:

• 8/Saturn: karma, structure, delay, responsibility, discipline, reputation, ambition
• 4/Rahu: obsession, amplification, unorthodox paths, illusion, ambition, foreignness
• This creates a karmic navigator of chaos, but not for the greater good. For their good. Any talk about “for the people” should be taken with a grain of salt because the energy of 4/Rahu can be very manipulative. In its worst presentation, the 8/Saturn energy pattern, as a person would throw Mama from the train if it meant getting ahead. 
• The 4/Rahu can bring out the most conservative aspects of the 8/Saturn pattern, even though this is an unconventional number force on its own. 
• These two numbers can bring out the worst in each other. In the April edition of Arythmancy Magazine, I had this to say about 84/3, which, because irony is not dead, was one of the numbers I chose as an example to demonstrate the movement of 4/Rahu and 7/Ketu in contrast to the other numbers and the effect this movement would have on number combinations:

“These numbers are colliding. This means that this is a challenging combination. The 4 vibration will always challenge 8s superiority and control qualities. The number 84 reduces to 3, which is ruled by Jupiter. This number combination produces an emanation of the number 3 vibration that, in a name chart, can reflect someone who struggles to let go of conservative attitudes or to just let people around them be themselves. They need to control a lot of things. It is a very conflicted and difficult emanation of 3/Jupiter. It will support the negative aspects of the numbers in that combination (8&4) and some of the less-than-desirable qualities of 3/Jupiter.”

Together, these two numbers create a boiling cauldron full of ambition. They reflect a person who wants to own the system and feels driven by a mission but finds the path filled with obstacles, criticism, or controversy. This destiny pattern unfolds through pressure, persistence, and radical transformations. 

Destiny Themes & Life Path Trajectory

Karmic Unfinished Business

• This combination —the 8-4 yoga, particularly as destiny energy —signals a soul here to work through intense karmic patterns related to authority, control, or responsibility. 
• These people often inherit generational burdens and/or institutional trauma.
• Their destiny is not “easy”. It’s often slow to unfold, but very significant for them and many people around them.

Unconventional Power

• They tend to climb ladders despite rejection, exile, or limitation.
• They may be outsiders who force their way into legacy systems and challenge them from within.
• Their route to power often defies convention, but they obsessively learn the system to beat it.

Delayed But Inevitable Rise

• 8/Saturn delays and tests; 4/Rahu obsesses and persists. Together, these characteristics create a person who is slow to bloom but often unstoppable once they gain traction.
• The destiny may involve long periods of invisibility or public dismissal, followed by sudden or shocking breakthroughs.

Shadow Work on the Public Stage

• Often embroiled in scandals or misunderstood motives.
• They may attract both idolization and demonization—public perception swings wildly.
• They’re forced to navigate complex moral territory, often torn between doing what’s effective and doing what’s ethical.

Foreign or Marginal Identity Themes

• 4/Rahu often brings in foreign influence; 8/Saturn brings status anxiety. The person may grapple with feelings of exclusion or being “othered."
• Destiny may involve representing marginalized people or serving as a symbolic bridge between the mainstream and the fringe.

What Destiny 84/3 Says About Their Life Mission

Outsider Climbing the Ladder

• The 84 native often starts life feeling excluded from the system, whether socially, politically, or economically.
• They are meant to understand the machine (8/Saturn) by being ground under its gears (4/Rahu), only to re-emerge as someone who can rebuild it.

Reformer with a Ruthless Edge

• There’s a reformer’s streak here, but it may not look like how we, the people, imagine reform. 4/Rahu adds cunning, ambition, and moral ambiguity. This reflects someone working through their issues and creating the structures they want. 
• 8/Saturn demands responsibility and realism. This creates someone who might dismantle a system only to build another that better serves their longer-term vision.

Hard Karma, High Calling

• These people experience hardships early on, particularly in relationships with authority figures, institutions, or family dynamics.
• But 8/Saturn never wastes pain: when paired with 4/Rahu as the destiny energy, the lessons are absorbed, internalized, and weaponized as they grow.
• They are destined to influence long-term structures—laws, institutions, legacies.

Dark Horse Success

• Like a Saturn-Rahu conjunction in astrology, these people may not get credit until much later in life.
• They often make powerful moves behind the scenes or are underestimated until the moment they’re indispensable.
• The number 84 has slow-burning revolutionary energy. People with this placement are here to play the long game and pull the strings.

Public Projection & Misunderstanding

• 4/Rahu brings distortion; 8/Saturn brings rigidity. As a result, 84/3s are often misunderstood, judged unfairly, or falsely projected upon. They aren’t innocent in this, though, given that the energies of these two numbers will more easily bring out the worst in each other than the best. I know we like to tell ourselves that everyone is inherently good, but if years of reading charts have shown me anything, the negative end of the energetic spectrum is much easier to access. We have to choose not to be self-centered arseholes projecting their trauma like a big marquee. Many of us, knowingly or not, always function in survival mode. 
• Their destiny involves mastering image, strategy, and restraint under pressure.

Political/Business

Were someone with this particular destiny energy to decide to get into politics, finance, or big business:

• They may emerge as a powerbroker, kingmaker, or strategic disruptor.
• 84/3 as a number force tends to reflect someone who does well in times of collapse, mainly if they’ve already survived personal upheavals—they understand how to build in the ruins.
• If they mainly reflect the shadow energy of their numbers, though, they may become authoritarian or obsessed with control, manipulation, or revenge.

At their best, someone reflecting 84/3 destiny energy can:

• Become a master strategist who uses their life’s pain as scaffolding for fundamental social change
• Have the capacity to engage in “power with” instead of “power over” and not cling to it
• Serve as balancing forces in society, delivering justice where others fail

At their worst:

• Obsessed with domination, recognition, or revenge
• Manipulate systems for personal gain
• Burn bridges they needed for the long game

Now let’s look at the other placements, because they all work together to produce what is going on in that toxic number stew I just spent an hour writing about.

Expression Number 28/1

(2/Moon + 8/Saturn)

The personality that emerges is soft on the outside, steel on the inside —like an iron fist in a velvet glove. 

The Quick Breakdown:

• 2/Moon: Empathy, intuition, emotional intelligence, relational orientation, diplomacy
• 8/Saturn: Structure, duty, resilience, status, control, restriction

Together, these numbers can reflect someone who feels everything (2/Moon) but knows how to compartmentalize and perform under pressure (8/Saturn). It can also reflect a personality forged from early-life vulnerability or abandonment, who matures into a figure of poise and stoic competence. This number energy often reflects a child who had to grow up early and may have had to raise themselves or their parents. They are generally very attuned to the room's tone. Some numerologists call this placement the Persona or Mask, reflecting what is presented to the outer world. In this number, the presentation is often composed, professional, or elegant, masking an inner world of complexity and sensitivity.

Core Traits of a 28 Expression

Diplomatic Strategist

• Excellent at reading people, anticipating their needs (2/Moon), and managing situations (8/Saturn).
• Doesn’t waste words—knows when to speak and when to withhold.
• Skilled at presenting themselves as calm, balanced, and trustworthy—even when they’re internally struggling.

Master of Controlled Vulnerability

• The 2 craves connection; the 8 fears exposure.
• So this person is often selectively open, using their emotional intelligence as a political or professional tool.
• They are the calm, relatable leader who never fully lets you in.

Karmic Lessons Around Trust & Power

• With 8/Saturn and 2/Moon in play, trust issues often arise, rooted in early emotional abandonment, betrayal, or instability.
• They may attract codependent or controlling relationships until they learn to set boundaries and lead from their own inner authority.

High Standards, Harsh Inner Critic

• The Moon is sensitive; Saturn is punishing. The 28/1 often wrestles with insecurity, which can drive perfectionism or workaholism. Even though this compound number reduces to 1/Sun, this is not sun energy as we would ordinarily perceive a pure 1/Sun vibration. It becomes afflicted in a chart with the 8-4 yoga activated. Public success is often accompanied by private self-doubt.

Potential for Great Influence

• When mature, this combination can hold emotional space for others and navigate emotional and systemic complexities with incredible wisdom.
• They are natural mediators, peacekeepers, or architects of reform—especially when paired with a high-stakes destiny number like 84. However, this doesn’t necessarily mean reforms that we like.

Expression 28 + Destiny 84: The Bigger Picture

This is a heavy combination:

• Deep emotional control
• Structural impact (in society, institutions, or legacy work)
• Life-altering karmic tests that refine the soul through disappointment, betrayal, and eventual triumph

This is someone with the potential to write or enforce the rules of the world they once felt crushed by.

Heart Number 24/6

(2/Moon + 4/Rahu)

The emotional core of the person seeks peace and connection, but they are drawn to chaos and extremes. Like Destiny, this number pattern shows a combination where 4/Rahu always clashes energetically with 2/Moon. In its best emanation, this produces the energy of the Queen of Wands—a loud and loving leader who charges headlong into the crowd of zombies to cut down as many as possible to allow her loved ones to escape. This placement is heavily modified by the other placements, though, and this supports the disruptive qualities of 4/Rahu. 

2/Moon: Emotional need for…

• Belonging
• Gentleness
• Nurturing bonds
• Emotional feedback
• Harmony and validation in relationships

4/Rahu: Supports temptation toward…

• Disruption and intensity
• Unusual or taboo relationships
• Obsession, fixation, escapism
• Power struggles in emotional life

Emotional Themes of a 24/6 Heart

Emotional Security vs. Emotional Risk

• This person longs for closeness and dependable relationships (2/Moon)
• Yet they are magnetized toward unpredictable, unusual, or destabilizing people and situations (4/Rahu)
• Relationships often involve high highs and low lows—rollercoaster bonding

Fixation on “The One”

• Can fall into obsessive emotional patterns, especially early in life.
• Often invests emotionally in people who are unavailable, mysterious, or chaotic.
• The soul lesson is often about disentangling love from fantasy.

Unconscious Need to Heal Through Others

• The 2 seeks to care and be cared for; the 4 wants to decode the mystery.
• In conjunction with the other energies, this placement reflects a person who may try to fix others emotionally to validate their own worth.
• They might emotionally chase after love or other pursuits that feel like missions.

Hidden Depth and Vulnerability

• Presents as emotionally soft or sweet, but beneath the surface lurks an intensely reactive core.
• When threatened emotionally, they may shut down or go into control mode (especially when paired with an 8/Saturn-heavy Expression and Destiny)

Emotional Karma

• The heart number 24/6 often reflects past-life bonds and karmic entanglements in love and family.
• Their most profound lessons revolve around knowing when to let go, setting boundaries, and staying grounded in reality.

24 Heart + 28 Expression + 84 Destiny 

Now we’re cooking with heat!

• A strategic emotional body that appears calm and rational but constantly negotiates between craving emotional peace and being drawn toward emotional complexity or dysfunction; a covert drama queen who needs to create chaos to experience….anything. 
• Someone who may hide their deepest wounds behind a very competent exterior. They’re perfect. You’re the one who needs to go straighten up your collar. 
• A life path that demands emotional maturity and psychological awareness to wield the full power of this very powerful life path chart. 

Lifepath Blueprint Synopsis

Heart 24 · Expression 28 · Destiny 84

2/Moon + 4/Rahu | 2/Moon + 8/Saturn | 8/Saturn + 4/Rahu

This person is born to struggle between vulnerability and control. At the soul level, they are learning to master their inner chaos without suppressing their humanity, to wield influence without becoming lost in its performance.

The Heart: 24 (2/Moon + 4/Rahu)

This person longs for closeness, comfort, and connection at their emotional core. The Moon brings a desire to nurture and be nurtured. But Rahu—trickster and numerological edgelord—adds a layer of instability and longing for the forbidden. Love is not simple for this person. They are often drawn to karmic or emotionally unavailable partners or find themselves entwined in relationships that awaken their deepest fears and obsessions. There is an inner tug-of-war between the desire to feel safe and the drive to feel intensely.

This heart craves intimacy, but not without fire. Its emotional life is a laboratory for its spiritual growth, and no matter how composed it seems, it feels everything beneath the surface.

The Expression: 28 (2/Moon + 8/Saturn)

Outwardly, they come across as refined, competent, and composed—someone who keeps it together no matter what. This is not a soft personality; it is a disciplined one, forged from early-life disappointment or emotional restraint. They learned to “read the room” young, which gives them immense political savvy and the ability to manage their public image with precision.

The 28 Expression often hides the vulnerable 24 Heart. They do not trust easily, and their interactions are carefully curated to minimize risk. However, their emotional intelligence makes them powerful communicators and skilled negotiators. They are the person you turn to in a crisis—calm, clear, capable. But behind the curtain, they may suffer in silence.

The Destiny: 84 (8/Saturn + 4/Rahu)

Their life path is not for the faint of heart. The 84 destiny is coded for karmic intensity, public misunderstanding, and eventual mastery through repeated breakdowns and breakthroughs. This person is not here for a simple life—they are here to build something enduring from difficult, often chaotic material.

The conjunction of 8/Saturn and 4/Rahu brings themes of exile and ambition, of being an outsider who learns to manipulate the system that once excluded them. It’s a path of hard-earned power. Their mission is to shape the world through long-term influence, often navigating power structures that seem determined to push them out—until they learn to work the levers from behind the scenes.



In Summary:

This person is emotional and strategic. They want peace, but often find themselves in storms. As much as they crave love, they are drawn to the mysterious, the broken, or the unattainable. People with this life path chart will project stability, but wrestle with profound internal contradictions. They are destined to wield power—but only after being tested by it. If they can integrate 2/Moon’s empathy, 8/Saturn’s discipline, and 4/Rahu’s insatiable drive, they can become a builder of new worlds and a reformer in disguise.

Wait a minute—did you say PEOPLE with this chart? It’s not super-duper unique? Nope, sorry. It is not. We are not the special snowflakes that we like to think we are. Everyone born on the same birthday as VP Vance shares this base chart and the same life path energy. Greater personalization will come with a name analysis.

In Part Two, I’ll examine his Life Path energy, which is at the center of this chart, and his Day Number, which is the most important number in creating the placements we just read about. In Part Three, we will analyze his name.